[Video] Antonio Casilli’s interview about Musk v. Trump and fake AI (Radio1 Rai)

DiPLab’s Antonio Casilli was interviewed by journalist Massimo Cerofolini in the show EtaBeta on Radio1 Rai, italian national radio brodcast. Here’s the complete interview.

Their conversation revolves around two recent stories, that reveal deeper truths about today’s tech and political landscapes. First, Builder.ai—a company claiming full automation in app development—was exposed as relying on hundreds of human developers in India. It’s another example of tech companies disguising cheap labor as artificial intelligence, a pattern long studied by researchers at DiPLab.

Second, how Elon Musk and Donald Trump’s breakup isn’t just a personal feud. It reflects a deeper conflict between two forms of right-wing capitalism: Trump’s old-school, protectionist, real estate-driven model vs. Musk’s futuristic, tech-centered, data-fueled empire. According to Casilli, both are authoritarian and exploitative, but they represent competing visions of power and profit.